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Professor Layton and the Azran Legacy (Spoiler Chat)

I figured this could be good for those who have finished and want to talk without accidentally spoiling the game for those who haven't completed it yet.

Please don't check the comments if you mind spoilers and haven't finished.

But as a quick not too spoilery thing as I feel it's important to make a note of: The Daily Puzzle has achievements. 4 of these achievements have to do with doing one puzzle a day (5 consecutive daily puzzles, 10 consecutive daily puzzles, 20 consecutive daily puzzles, and 50 consecutive daily puzzles). Personally, I loved to just let them build up and then let out all my puzzle energy to doing a bunch of puzzles so this is throwing me off a lot (I actually had to set-up reminders on my calendar for 50 days--I got up to 10 before I forgot which is what had be start doing this).

Mostly just letting people know as I'm not sure how many people actually did each puzzle the day it came out.


Yeeeah, game tends to be iffy with that stuff :( Or just doesn't think about it. I remember when I finished the last game, I was kind of bothered that nobody thought when they found the river at the bottom (or even if they didn't) to also check nearby towns from the ruins...

I don't recall Bronev saying anything like that.

But yeah, I wish those things had bigger roles as well--heck, now that you bring it up I remember when we first saw the travel aspect of the game, I thought we'd be going to each place to revisit it and was super excited (plus chance of character cameos). Thinking about it again, I'm sad they didn't do that... It would've made more sense with the highlighting at the end of the last game.

I remember hearing that the original plan was to produce two movies for the second trilogy, with the second one placed between Miracle Mask and Azran Legacy. Could be that they would have expanded on connection of the Azran Legacies there.

Wouldn't be surprised if they localized that, given that "Jakes, the man chosen by god" was localized to "Third Eye Jakes". Not that I mind if they removed that comment, it is mention once in response to one of Laytons warning.

Edited at 2014-03-27 07:54 pm (UTC)

Yeah, I remember that--movies between each and after. I wish they did--I really loved the first movie they did.

I believe it was just changed to how he needed it/the world deserved it or something like that--but yeah, definitely different.

I hope they make another one, whether make it part of either trilogy or make it a stand alone.
Or translate the books.

One thing I remember that annoyed me when I finished the game, was that in the end only Bronev was arrested. Bloom is released again, and Descole . Yes, he had a horrible life. Yes, he did save Luke, and he did sacrifice himself. I still think many people want him to repent for his actions in the rest of the games and the movie. Also, I kinda want to see interaction between him and Clive. Or with Bronev, now that he hopefully gotten better. Then again, I doubt there would be any productive dialogue there.

Yeeeah... It sounded like at least with Bloom he escaped which was why and then they couldn't find him or Descole, but still pretty iffy.

Descole's issue (I'm guessing) is he wasn't really the main bad in this game so it kind of wasn't effected--kind of like the Prime Minister in the 3rd game was the cause of killing Claire and Clive's parents due to being reckless and then paid people off to keep it quiet, but he never got punishment (until Clive) and we saw how that ended up too.

But yeah, I think Descole needs something whether it be jail time and/or lots of therapy between his childhood and then losing his new family as well. >_> Though, to be honest, I still have trouble sympathizing with Descole because he had been in 3 games and a movie and this is the first time he showed any care. I mean, like I said before, the whole thing with Sycamore was apparently that was still his hope and he threw it out the window as Decole (kind of like with what happened to Bronev), but it wasn't really enough for me to really feel for him. I felt for Clive (despite his death count when you think about it...), but just Descole's trying to kill Layton in previous games made his actions there seem odd.

It kind of reminds me of the Snape argument with Harry Potter--I never read most of the books so I can't speak really from experience (A friend of mine loves them though)--he had a pretty tragic story, but it really didn't excuse him from how incredibly cruel he was at times for something like that. I guess an ends doesn't justify the means kind of thing essentially.

I thought it was more similar to Don Paolo. Recurring villain, never caught. But I didn't care much that Don Paolo wasn't caught, probably because I felt he wasn't treated very serious. Descole, on the other hand, was definitly a horrible person for most of the trilogy, so it's jarring when he isn't caught. So you're right, comparing him to Bill Hawks do fits better.

I replayed Specter's flute and Miracle Mask, and started replaying Azran Legacy.

I have same complaint about Randall as I have about Descole. Yes, Randall was tricked. Yes, Descole organizaed all the Miracles. However Randall was perfectly fine with burying an entire city, if it wasn't him that suggested it in the first place. I'm fine with Heny and Angela forgiving him, given how much they did for him it really not surprising that they did forgive him. I'm not so fine with apparantly neither police or townspeople thinking he deserve punishment.

When Layton looks for his father, Lucille and Roland mentions that men in black wanted to see him. For some reason I thought it was likely Bronev himself that visited until someone else mentioned it. I always thought it was just some random members, though sent on Bronevs orders. Which made "haven't seen Layton since he was a boy" just cruel, because I thought they referred to the kidnapping. I wonder why Roland claims they were old friends or whatever he said. I get that he didn't wanted Lucille and the others to worry, but still.

I likes that the chapter titles portrays Azran rise and fall.

I wished there were a minigame in Azran with the missile you could play later in the game, like with the racing minigame in Miracle Mask. Harder to justify I guess. Also disapointed that Descole didn't complain about wreaking his ship. He being proud of his snowman makes up for it, though. Suggesting Sycamore stole the artifacts, never stops being funny.

I remember first time playing, that I was surprised that Descole didn't end up use the sleeping pills against Layton & co.

I also had my joke-theory that Roland and Lucille is immortal. Look they haven't aged in 30 years! Sure, it is just them being old, I'm curious just how old they are.